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25 Responses to The Truth About Michigan Ban on Raising Chickens
It is here! After 2 hours on the phone with my very close family friend who
just so happens to be a Michigan State Representative, I got some much
needed answers for everyone. PLEASE share this if you would, it is very
important we get the TRUTH out. instead of he said she said.
MIgardener | Simple Organic Gardening & Sustainable Living
January 20, 2015 at 4:13 am Reply
It is here! After 2 hours on the phone with my very close family friend who
just so happens to be a Michigan State Representative, I got some much
needed answers for everyone. PLEASE share this if you would, it is very
important we get the TRUTH out. instead of he said she said.
MIgardener | Simple Organic Gardening & Sustainable Living
January 20, 2015 at 5:09 am Reply
It is here! After 2 hours on the phone with my very close family friend who
just so happens to be a Michigan State Representative, I got some much
needed answers for everyone. PLEASE share this if you would, it is very
important we get the TRUTH out. instead of he said she said.
MIgardener | Simple Organic Gardening & Sustainable Living
January 20, 2015 at 5:54 am Reply
It is here! After 2 hours on the phone with my very close family friend who
just so happens to be a Michigan State Representative, I got some much
needed answers for everyone. PLEASE share this if you would, it is very
important we get the TRUTH out. instead of he said she said.
MIgardener | Simple Organic Gardening & Sustainable Living
January 20, 2015 at 6:22 am Reply
It is here! After 2 hours on the phone with my very close family friend who
just so happens to be a Michigan State Representative, I got some much
needed answers for everyone. PLEASE share this if you would, it is very
important we get the TRUTH out. instead of he said she said.
MIgardener | Simple Organic Gardening & Sustainable Living
January 20, 2015 at 6:52 am Reply
For the individual, it all boils down to how your property is zoned and
your local city or township requirements. When in doubt, call your local
city/township office.
Prepper Potpourri
January 20, 2015 at 7:24 am Reply
Not sure I agree with boundaries being formed without formal complaints.
Can a city just create acts out of nowhere. Was there a formal complaint
ever made of someone owning too many chickens in this area that may have
sparked this act. Is it legal for a city state or any other entities to
create preventative acts, proclamations, bills, laws, bylaws, without
citizen input in any way shape or form ie,: complaints, protest, or
petitions for such to be created? Where is a city defined as a non
agricultural area? What’s the difference between 5000 chickens and 3500?
The fact is this, if people want to allow government to restrict their
rights without their approval and continue to allow an infringement of the
natural or cultural ways of life they will not act in response to any
government movement of such until it burdens their own being. We must fight
to protect the rights for all freedoms even when we don’t use use them and
especially when we see artificial regulation without warrant. They want to
see how far they can drag it out before we complain but if nobody is
complaining then we stand to lose all rights. First in the cities then in
rural/ commercial and state. Your source is either corrupt or illuminati
but what’s the difference. If people cannot deal with they way a chicken or
steer smells then have them live without them.
Luke, it is admirable for you to admit your mistakes, but I question
whether or not you have actually made mistakes about this issue with your
previous stance.
It appears that you (or your state representative friend) have used that
FAQ as an *outline* for the video.
Forgive my skepticism, but if the Government has prepared an FAQ to address
citizen’s concerns about the Government’s position, it is probably
*one-sided* to say the least, lies at worst. **…and I say that as
someone who works for government! **
Your example of the farmer who comes in and buys up “7, 8, 10 lots, puts a
ton of animals there…” is actually backwards. Has any farmer or farm
business actually done this? I challenge you to produce an example. What
has actually happened is that residential communities and developers have
moved into farmland, got it rezoned for residential use and then complained
about the farm being adjacent to their homes. As a Planning and Development
Director in a local (semi-agricultural) community, I’ve seen it happen many
times.
I’m sorry Luke…you haven’t convinced me. And I submit that it *IS* a
slippery slope that your government friends have embarked upon.
Here in Oz our land zoning laws are very clear from inner city to rural.
Basically, there’s no ban on keeping chickens in any zone (except for
roosters which cannot be kept in some zones) the only limitation is numbers.
Anyone who thinks chickens are noisy have never lived next to a barking
dog. As long as common sense prevails and the numbers of hens are kept
appropriate for the density of the population, chickens make wonderful
pets.
THIS is from the horses mouth http://www.michigan.gov/mdard/0,4610,7-125-1599_1605—,00.html
Q: What changes did the Michigan Commission of Agriculture and Rural
Development make to the Site Selection & Odor Control for New/Expanding
Livestock Facilities GAAMP?
A: The Commission approved the addition of a Category 4 for site selection
within the GAAMPS. Category 4 sites, defined by the GAAMPs, are locations
that are primarily residential and don’t allow agricultural uses by right.
Under the Site Selection GAAMP MDARD still will determine whether a site is
primarily residential, which by definition are sites with more than 13
non-farm homes within an eighth of a mile of the livestock facility or a
non-farm home within 250 feet of the livestock facility.
TheChristianWoodsman
January 20, 2015 at 9:26 am Reply
It’s unfortunate we have to be politicians and lawyers to farm in Michigan.
People have tried to get chickens allowed in city limits here, but the main
concern is always health or liability and it gets shot down in the name of
phantom fears.
Why would they ban raising chickens lol. I can’t stand politics. Nm I don’t
want to rant about government.
I do recall a story here about restricting people from raising chickens
because people didn’t want them after a while and discard them. Animal
writes people didn’t like that.
Very sensible and wise to clarify things. And there are other fights worth
fighting for like some city gardeners not being able to plant vegetables in
front yards because of bylaws.
suburban homestead
January 20, 2015 at 10:59 am Reply
If you are a farmer and the local municipality rezones your neighborhood
residential you are no longer protected under the right to farm act and the
new residential neighbors could have your farming operation shut down.
This is my understanding of what could happen so to me it is a slippery
slope.
I am very curious to know how this will impact the great hobby farms
popping up in Detroit with all of the vacant property. I found that to be
a wonderful back to roots movement in an area of such tremendous urban
decay. A revitalization that could truly make an impact.
Folks were educating themselves and using GAAMPs as a way to prove to local
municipalities that a goat, a few chickens, etc could be kept in more urban
areas without impacting neighbors. That tool is now gone, which is
unfortunate.
I am also glad that I live where I do, for the moment….. but this could
increase the urban sprawl even more quickly with the number of people who
don’t trust their food sources today.
It’s a catch 22 and I am guilty of signing that petition also which bothers
me because I did know what it was about and had been following it for
months. Live and learn.
I’m in Florida,and I’ve seen these latinos raising chickens in urban areas
all my life.I’m against it,.The chickens are noisy,get ran over,and they
are unhealthy roaming eating decaying processed garbage.It’s better for
humans and chicken to keep them in rural areas only.Farms animals don’t
belong in urban environments,the annoy the residents and the residents
annoy the animals.
If its a non-binding act, then why is government wasting time and money in
discussion? Aren’t there bigger issues like job creation? Remember, all
“talk” is said for a reason, or else it wouldn’t be said. I appluad your
effort to research, but I would suggest you be a believer in the written
word and not the spoken regardless of association.
I read about this last week and was so surprised. I’m glad you cleared it
up though. Wish media outlets would get it right. I would love to have
chickens to keep the bugs out of the garden but just can’t afford the cost
to keep them sheltered from the neighbors cats lol.
It is here! After 2 hours on the phone with my very close family friend who
just so happens to be a Michigan State Representative, I got some much
needed answers for everyone. PLEASE share this if you would, it is very
important we get the TRUTH out. instead of he said she said.
Have you ever heard of the adage: If you give them an inch they’ll take a
mile?? This is exactly what this is. Hence the destruction of the
American Family Farmer here in Michigan and across this great nation.
.
I would love to pick your very close family friend’s brain.
Another way of explaining this is to remind people that they really can’t
do with their land as they wish… because a small group of people who
don’t own it want to be used differently. There are better ways to handle
people who would put to many animals in a residential area, such as
economically ostracizing them. No one sells to them or buys from them,
including electricity, water, food, materials, etc.
Your source is a politician. You gotta trust those guys, right?
And zoning makes sense. It’s always been that way. My daughter lives in a
subdivision where she and one neighbor are technically zoned agricultural.
But you can’t run a business in a residentially zoned area, etc. You have
to spell it out on paper or people will take advantage and say, I didn’t
know.
It is here! After 2 hours on the phone with my very close family friend who
just so happens to be a Michigan State Representative, I got some much
needed answers for everyone. PLEASE share this if you would, it is very
important we get the TRUTH out. instead of he said she said.
MIgardener | Simple Organic Gardening & Sustainable Living
January 20, 2015 at 4:13 am
It is here! After 2 hours on the phone with my very close family friend who
just so happens to be a Michigan State Representative, I got some much
needed answers for everyone. PLEASE share this if you would, it is very
important we get the TRUTH out. instead of he said she said.
MIgardener | Simple Organic Gardening & Sustainable Living
January 20, 2015 at 5:09 am
It is here! After 2 hours on the phone with my very close family friend who
just so happens to be a Michigan State Representative, I got some much
needed answers for everyone. PLEASE share this if you would, it is very
important we get the TRUTH out. instead of he said she said.
MIgardener | Simple Organic Gardening & Sustainable Living
January 20, 2015 at 5:54 am
It is here! After 2 hours on the phone with my very close family friend who
just so happens to be a Michigan State Representative, I got some much
needed answers for everyone. PLEASE share this if you would, it is very
important we get the TRUTH out. instead of he said she said.
MIgardener | Simple Organic Gardening & Sustainable Living
January 20, 2015 at 6:22 am
It is here! After 2 hours on the phone with my very close family friend who
just so happens to be a Michigan State Representative, I got some much
needed answers for everyone. PLEASE share this if you would, it is very
important we get the TRUTH out. instead of he said she said.
MIgardener | Simple Organic Gardening & Sustainable Living
January 20, 2015 at 6:52 am
For the individual, it all boils down to how your property is zoned and
your local city or township requirements. When in doubt, call your local
city/township office.
Prepper Potpourri
January 20, 2015 at 7:24 am
Not sure I agree with boundaries being formed without formal complaints.
Can a city just create acts out of nowhere. Was there a formal complaint
ever made of someone owning too many chickens in this area that may have
sparked this act. Is it legal for a city state or any other entities to
create preventative acts, proclamations, bills, laws, bylaws, without
citizen input in any way shape or form ie,: complaints, protest, or
petitions for such to be created? Where is a city defined as a non
agricultural area? What’s the difference between 5000 chickens and 3500?
The fact is this, if people want to allow government to restrict their
rights without their approval and continue to allow an infringement of the
natural or cultural ways of life they will not act in response to any
government movement of such until it burdens their own being. We must fight
to protect the rights for all freedoms even when we don’t use use them and
especially when we see artificial regulation without warrant. They want to
see how far they can drag it out before we complain but if nobody is
complaining then we stand to lose all rights. First in the cities then in
rural/ commercial and state. Your source is either corrupt or illuminati
but what’s the difference. If people cannot deal with they way a chicken or
steer smells then have them live without them.
Awesome Sauce
January 20, 2015 at 7:35 am
Luke, it is admirable for you to admit your mistakes, but I question
whether or not you have actually made mistakes about this issue with your
previous stance.
This video seems to be totally based on the MDCRD FAQ that is found on
their website:
http://www.michigan.gov/mdard/0,4610,7-125-1599_1605—,00.html
It appears that you (or your state representative friend) have used that
FAQ as an *outline* for the video.
Forgive my skepticism, but if the Government has prepared an FAQ to address
citizen’s concerns about the Government’s position, it is probably
*one-sided* to say the least, lies at worst. **…and I say that as
someone who works for government! **
Your example of the farmer who comes in and buys up “7, 8, 10 lots, puts a
ton of animals there…” is actually backwards. Has any farmer or farm
business actually done this? I challenge you to produce an example. What
has actually happened is that residential communities and developers have
moved into farmland, got it rezoned for residential use and then complained
about the farm being adjacent to their homes. As a Planning and Development
Director in a local (semi-agricultural) community, I’ve seen it happen many
times.
I’m sorry Luke…you haven’t convinced me. And I submit that it *IS* a
slippery slope that your government friends have embarked upon.
nov51947
January 20, 2015 at 7:40 am
Here in Oz our land zoning laws are very clear from inner city to rural.
Basically, there’s no ban on keeping chickens in any zone (except for
roosters which cannot be kept in some zones) the only limitation is numbers.
Anyone who thinks chickens are noisy have never lived next to a barking
dog. As long as common sense prevails and the numbers of hens are kept
appropriate for the density of the population, chickens make wonderful
pets.
Mark Valencia
January 20, 2015 at 7:41 am
Thanks Luke! I am still afraid what I posted is true…maybe not yet and
not in this instance……I guess I am a conspiracy person!!
David D
January 20, 2015 at 8:37 am
THIS is from the horses mouth
http://www.michigan.gov/mdard/0,4610,7-125-1599_1605—,00.html
Q: What changes did the Michigan Commission of Agriculture and Rural
Development make to the Site Selection & Odor Control for New/Expanding
Livestock Facilities GAAMP?
A: The Commission approved the addition of a Category 4 for site selection
within the GAAMPS. Category 4 sites, defined by the GAAMPs, are locations
that are primarily residential and don’t allow agricultural uses by right.
Under the Site Selection GAAMP MDARD still will determine whether a site is
primarily residential, which by definition are sites with more than 13
non-farm homes within an eighth of a mile of the livestock facility or a
non-farm home within 250 feet of the livestock facility.
TheChristianWoodsman
January 20, 2015 at 9:26 am
It’s unfortunate we have to be politicians and lawyers to farm in Michigan.
People have tried to get chickens allowed in city limits here, but the main
concern is always health or liability and it gets shot down in the name of
phantom fears.
MiWilderness
January 20, 2015 at 10:00 am
Why would they ban raising chickens lol. I can’t stand politics. Nm I don’t
want to rant about government.
I do recall a story here about restricting people from raising chickens
because people didn’t want them after a while and discard them. Animal
writes people didn’t like that.
Thanks for sharing
RLSgardener
January 20, 2015 at 10:24 am
Very sensible and wise to clarify things. And there are other fights worth
fighting for like some city gardeners not being able to plant vegetables in
front yards because of bylaws.
suburban homestead
January 20, 2015 at 10:59 am
If you are a farmer and the local municipality rezones your neighborhood
residential you are no longer protected under the right to farm act and the
new residential neighbors could have your farming operation shut down.
This is my understanding of what could happen so to me it is a slippery
slope.
livingready69
January 20, 2015 at 11:03 am
I am very curious to know how this will impact the great hobby farms
popping up in Detroit with all of the vacant property. I found that to be
a wonderful back to roots movement in an area of such tremendous urban
decay. A revitalization that could truly make an impact.
Folks were educating themselves and using GAAMPs as a way to prove to local
municipalities that a goat, a few chickens, etc could be kept in more urban
areas without impacting neighbors. That tool is now gone, which is
unfortunate.
I am also glad that I live where I do, for the moment….. but this could
increase the urban sprawl even more quickly with the number of people who
don’t trust their food sources today.
It’s a catch 22 and I am guilty of signing that petition also which bothers
me because I did know what it was about and had been following it for
months. Live and learn.
Leisa Sutton
January 20, 2015 at 11:08 am
I’m in Florida,and I’ve seen these latinos raising chickens in urban areas
all my life.I’m against it,.The chickens are noisy,get ran over,and they
are unhealthy roaming eating decaying processed garbage.It’s better for
humans and chicken to keep them in rural areas only.Farms animals don’t
belong in urban environments,the annoy the residents and the residents
annoy the animals.
Keepskatin
January 20, 2015 at 11:55 am
Could cut out 10 minutes of pork out of this chicken speech… lol
Lilly Look
January 20, 2015 at 12:49 pm
If its a non-binding act, then why is government wasting time and money in
discussion? Aren’t there bigger issues like job creation? Remember, all
“talk” is said for a reason, or else it wouldn’t be said. I appluad your
effort to research, but I would suggest you be a believer in the written
word and not the spoken regardless of association.
pug dog T
January 20, 2015 at 1:44 pm
I read about this last week and was so surprised. I’m glad you cleared it
up though. Wish media outlets would get it right. I would love to have
chickens to keep the bugs out of the garden but just can’t afford the cost
to keep them sheltered from the neighbors cats lol.
fluffysuds
January 20, 2015 at 2:31 pm
It is here! After 2 hours on the phone with my very close family friend who
just so happens to be a Michigan State Representative, I got some much
needed answers for everyone. PLEASE share this if you would, it is very
important we get the TRUTH out. instead of he said she said.
Learn To Grow
January 20, 2015 at 3:08 pm
Have you ever heard of the adage: If you give them an inch they’ll take a
mile?? This is exactly what this is. Hence the destruction of the
American Family Farmer here in Michigan and across this great nation.
.
I would love to pick your very close family friend’s brain.
freedom4kaz2
January 20, 2015 at 3:42 pm
Informative w no BS! Thanks from California…
Michael Kreple
January 20, 2015 at 4:37 pm
Another way of explaining this is to remind people that they really can’t
do with their land as they wish… because a small group of people who
don’t own it want to be used differently. There are better ways to handle
people who would put to many animals in a residential area, such as
economically ostracizing them. No one sells to them or buys from them,
including electricity, water, food, materials, etc.
Your source is a politician. You gotta trust those guys, right?
LTraveler83
January 20, 2015 at 5:05 pm
And zoning makes sense. It’s always been that way. My daughter lives in a
subdivision where she and one neighbor are technically zoned agricultural.
But you can’t run a business in a residentially zoned area, etc. You have
to spell it out on paper or people will take advantage and say, I didn’t
know.
fatoldladyinpjs
January 20, 2015 at 5:39 pm