No Joel Salatin of Polyface Farm interviews ending up on our cutting room floor. It’s all good! Part 3 with a new opening and closing on this episode of Meet The Farmer TV.
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25 Responses to Joel Salatin/Polyface Farm Pt.3
@Ullbritt and most of all, regulate against everything.
it’s very interesting what he’s saying about third world countries and that the people in those countries are very interested while in 1st countries they are very resistant and hostile to these methods. it’s the same thing with michael reynold’s struggle to build earthships, or geoff lawton’s work to establish permaculture farming around the world. the people in the poorer countries jump right on it while we in the west just ridicule or ignore it.
Remember Soylant Green – first they destroy the environment then they turn people into food. In the end, as a society treats its animals is the way it will treat its people. In some cultures you must feed your animals (let alone mistreat them !) before yourself or family.
Joel’s agricultural practices are in harmony with nature and consistent with the “Do Nothing” philosophy of M. Fukuoka and that is the hightest compliment I can give.
America needs more Joel Salatin’s to stand up to the USA’s Military-Industrial-Information complex. Our freedoms are in jeopardy. “Warrantless searchs…”, Patriot act spying on Americans… I am not afraid of “Terrorists”, but I dread the Military-Industrial-Information complex control of what should be our Government and thus fear the USA government.
@TheoryIsSpeculation What civilizations didn’t dam their rivers? What civilization practiced sustainablility naturally? What is modern civilization in comparison? Greedy, hateful, power-hungry, human-destroying, warring, thieving, adulterizing, soil destroying, air-polluting, river destroying, fish destroying, fauna destroying, forest destroying, chemical spraying, water destroying, ocean destroying, mind destroying MONSTERS in comparison. Which best describes the life u would prefer?
TheoryIsSpeculation
October 27, 2011 at 2:25 am Reply
What civilization had the most numerous wild life & worked w/ it instead of destroying it? What civilization had grass so tall it could hide a rider on a horse? What civilization had humus 20′ deep? What civilization had no tax? What civilization migrated w/ the seasons? What civilization burned the forest when leaving to prevent forest destroying fires? What civilization broke the lower dead branches from the trees & used those for warmth at night? What civilization didn’t pollute their H2o?
TheoryIsSpeculation
October 27, 2011 at 2:28 am Reply
While I am happy to see you don’t endorse the extreme measures listed, I reserve judgment on any others. I would not underestimate natural nor our own stupidity in cutting the population. Other than that, I don’t see that any other action need to be taken.
@crabstu Nah, there can really go ahead and be less of Me, that thought line is simply still held because of the Human Self-Centeredness that has become the norm.
We have pulled ourselves out of the ‘Natural Order’ of the planet and should have the sense to see that we still need a balancer, if Nature is not permitted to do so anymore, then we must do it ourselves. While I do not mean Holocaust Eugenics nor Gattaca’s extent, there should be common sense practices. It’s not creepy, it’s logical.
@redwolfmoonhowl Nonsense. There is quite a difference between the natural order of things and man-made attempts to limit the population. That latter always amounts to “there are too many of you and your children but just the right amount of me.” That’s why you see folks like Soros supporting such creepiness.
@crabstu Human Population Controls are not evil, they are natural, what is unnatural is the current lack of them. Everything else has it’s own controller, be it predation, diseases, or lifespans, what have you.
Personally, I view some sort of Population Control to a necessity, especially seeing as we insist on our medicine trying to prevent the only things left that are attempting to be balancers. Just because we are the ‘dominant species’ doesn’t mean we need to be the most numerous.
@msminxy75 Nothing of what I have said contradicts the practices of Mr. Salatin nor do they imply that I am from GMO’d factory farming, hormones, steroids and such. Quite the opposite. My remarks are strictly aimed at those who think sustainability is somehow linked with human population control efforts which are downright evil.
@crabstu If you have ever read anything about Joel, you will hear him say things like ‘If i got more cattle, I would upset the balance and have to get more grass, more chickens, more pigs etc etc.” Growing up on a sustainable farm I lol at people whom dont believe real farming is achievable.
If you are ok with your GMO’d factory farmed, abused animals complete with a side of hormones, smothered in a steroid sauce and a helping of antibiotics for dessert, so be it. Enjoy your lunch.
@07Negative i completely agree. every regulation out there that’s touted as “protecting the public” in effect only reduces competition. that’s why you’ll see very large businesses supporting such regulation.
@JAROSLAVAGINA There are a few reasons for this. Industrialized farming has created more hazards. Which leads to stricter rules. However that’s a reactive approach opposed to being proactive. I also think we’ve been voting for the wrong people and putting too much power behind these politicians. But that’s just my 2 cents
Salatin’s business model (as he discusses in many of his books) are not always feasible due to State and Local legislation. As always there may be loop-holes, but in some cases jumping through those loops may cost more than the pay out.
The “PROBLEM” is that Joel’s systems WORK!!! If implemented all around the country and the world….we would greatly reduce energy usage, and ALOT of big $ people will take a hit….I hope that what people will take most from this, is that we really DO NOT have a FREE market
@fool320 i grew up around chickens in large flocks fenced in like this too. i can explain. it DOES happen, but not often. the turkeys simply dont have anything they want outside the fence and would rather stay with the flock anyway. they COULD fly back in too, but usually dont. its simple…you just put them back in. being outside the fence is no real issue. the fence is not to keep them in so much as to keep predators OUT, you see.
Not science based, easily remedied. Just do some testing and write an article of the results which you send to the peer reviewed agricultural science magazine.
Central Banks, FIAT Money and the New World Order / Illuminati Agenda is making a living HELL for us on this planet but Joel Salatin is one of Earth’s Heroes.
Please investigate the NWO Agenda their use of symbolism so that you don’t fall into the trap of spiritual enslavement.
Love yuz all
FreemanOftheMind
October 27, 2011 at 10:45 am Reply
I love this guy. His resistance to the boughtandpaidfor USDA is awesome. He knows what is healthy and good for us to eat because the USDA/FDA has evolved their standards based upon the big commercial growers and we all know that’s the crap way they’ve come down on the little guy…. I’d say the real problem is with lobbyists’ protection of their corporate masters.
@Ullbritt and most of all, regulate against everything.
Ullbritt
October 26, 2011 at 9:54 pm
it’s very interesting what he’s saying about third world countries and that the people in those countries are very interested while in 1st countries they are very resistant and hostile to these methods. it’s the same thing with michael reynold’s struggle to build earthships, or geoff lawton’s work to establish permaculture farming around the world. the people in the poorer countries jump right on it while we in the west just ridicule or ignore it.
Ullbritt
October 26, 2011 at 10:47 pm
@TheoryIsSpeculation Native Americans. USA commited genocide on a noble people and the USA should give back the all the land stolen from them.
ilovebees3
October 26, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Remember Soylant Green – first they destroy the environment then they turn people into food. In the end, as a society treats its animals is the way it will treat its people. In some cultures you must feed your animals (let alone mistreat them !) before yourself or family.
ilovebees3
October 27, 2011 at 12:28 am
Joel’s agricultural practices are in harmony with nature and consistent with the “Do Nothing” philosophy of M. Fukuoka and that is the hightest compliment I can give.
ilovebees3
October 27, 2011 at 1:19 am
America needs more Joel Salatin’s to stand up to the USA’s Military-Industrial-Information complex. Our freedoms are in jeopardy. “Warrantless searchs…”, Patriot act spying on Americans… I am not afraid of “Terrorists”, but I dread the Military-Industrial-Information complex control of what should be our Government and thus fear the USA government.
ilovebees3
October 27, 2011 at 2:18 am
@TheoryIsSpeculation What civilizations didn’t dam their rivers? What civilization practiced sustainablility naturally? What is modern civilization in comparison? Greedy, hateful, power-hungry, human-destroying, warring, thieving, adulterizing, soil destroying, air-polluting, river destroying, fish destroying, fauna destroying, forest destroying, chemical spraying, water destroying, ocean destroying, mind destroying MONSTERS in comparison. Which best describes the life u would prefer?
TheoryIsSpeculation
October 27, 2011 at 2:25 am
What civilization had the most numerous wild life & worked w/ it instead of destroying it? What civilization had grass so tall it could hide a rider on a horse? What civilization had humus 20′ deep? What civilization had no tax? What civilization migrated w/ the seasons? What civilization burned the forest when leaving to prevent forest destroying fires? What civilization broke the lower dead branches from the trees & used those for warmth at night? What civilization didn’t pollute their H2o?
TheoryIsSpeculation
October 27, 2011 at 2:28 am
While I am happy to see you don’t endorse the extreme measures listed, I reserve judgment on any others. I would not underestimate natural nor our own stupidity in cutting the population. Other than that, I don’t see that any other action need to be taken.
crabstu
October 27, 2011 at 2:29 am
@crabstu Nah, there can really go ahead and be less of Me, that thought line is simply still held because of the Human Self-Centeredness that has become the norm.
We have pulled ourselves out of the ‘Natural Order’ of the planet and should have the sense to see that we still need a balancer, if Nature is not permitted to do so anymore, then we must do it ourselves. While I do not mean Holocaust Eugenics nor Gattaca’s extent, there should be common sense practices. It’s not creepy, it’s logical.
redwolfmoonhowl
October 27, 2011 at 2:43 am
@redwolfmoonhowl Nonsense. There is quite a difference between the natural order of things and man-made attempts to limit the population. That latter always amounts to “there are too many of you and your children but just the right amount of me.” That’s why you see folks like Soros supporting such creepiness.
crabstu
October 27, 2011 at 3:09 am
@crabstu Human Population Controls are not evil, they are natural, what is unnatural is the current lack of them. Everything else has it’s own controller, be it predation, diseases, or lifespans, what have you.
Personally, I view some sort of Population Control to a necessity, especially seeing as we insist on our medicine trying to prevent the only things left that are attempting to be balancers. Just because we are the ‘dominant species’ doesn’t mean we need to be the most numerous.
redwolfmoonhowl
October 27, 2011 at 4:05 am
@msminxy75 Nothing of what I have said contradicts the practices of Mr. Salatin nor do they imply that I am from GMO’d factory farming, hormones, steroids and such. Quite the opposite. My remarks are strictly aimed at those who think sustainability is somehow linked with human population control efforts which are downright evil.
crabstu
October 27, 2011 at 4:55 am
@crabstu If you have ever read anything about Joel, you will hear him say things like ‘If i got more cattle, I would upset the balance and have to get more grass, more chickens, more pigs etc etc.” Growing up on a sustainable farm I lol at people whom dont believe real farming is achievable.
If you are ok with your GMO’d factory farmed, abused animals complete with a side of hormones, smothered in a steroid sauce and a helping of antibiotics for dessert, so be it. Enjoy your lunch.
msminxy75
October 27, 2011 at 5:07 am
@07Negative i completely agree. every regulation out there that’s touted as “protecting the public” in effect only reduces competition. that’s why you’ll see very large businesses supporting such regulation.
JAROSLAVAGINA
October 27, 2011 at 5:54 am
@JAROSLAVAGINA There are a few reasons for this. Industrialized farming has created more hazards. Which leads to stricter rules. However that’s a reactive approach opposed to being proactive. I also think we’ve been voting for the wrong people and putting too much power behind these politicians. But that’s just my 2 cents
07Negative
October 27, 2011 at 6:47 am
Salatin’s business model (as he discusses in many of his books) are not always feasible due to State and Local legislation. As always there may be loop-holes, but in some cases jumping through those loops may cost more than the pay out.
JAROSLAVAGINA
October 27, 2011 at 6:59 am
23.29 – 25.30 It’s not unintended it’s totally intended- to destroy local small farmers and allow industrail corporate dominance.
099749
October 27, 2011 at 7:31 am
10.24- 10.50 totally agree
099749
October 27, 2011 at 8:24 am
The “PROBLEM” is that Joel’s systems WORK!!! If implemented all around the country and the world….we would greatly reduce energy usage, and ALOT of big $ people will take a hit….I hope that what people will take most from this, is that we really DO NOT have a FREE market
impalapez
October 27, 2011 at 9:15 am
@fool320 i grew up around chickens in large flocks fenced in like this too. i can explain. it DOES happen, but not often. the turkeys simply dont have anything they want outside the fence and would rather stay with the flock anyway. they COULD fly back in too, but usually dont. its simple…you just put them back in. being outside the fence is no real issue. the fence is not to keep them in so much as to keep predators OUT, you see.
bradford71us
October 27, 2011 at 9:53 am
Not science based, easily remedied. Just do some testing and write an article of the results which you send to the peer reviewed agricultural science magazine.
lordmetroid
October 27, 2011 at 10:13 am
Central Banks, FIAT Money and the New World Order / Illuminati Agenda is making a living HELL for us on this planet but Joel Salatin is one of Earth’s Heroes.
Please investigate the NWO Agenda their use of symbolism so that you don’t fall into the trap of spiritual enslavement.
Love yuz all
FreemanOftheMind
October 27, 2011 at 10:45 am
I love this guy. His resistance to the boughtandpaidfor USDA is awesome. He knows what is healthy and good for us to eat because the USDA/FDA has evolved their standards based upon the big commercial growers and we all know that’s the crap way they’ve come down on the little guy…. I’d say the real problem is with lobbyists’ protection of their corporate masters.
KallyJones
October 27, 2011 at 11:42 am
Are you hiring? I wanna be a farmer too. Just fly me out there and ill work for ya Joel.
For reasonable compensation.
FJMalik87
October 27, 2011 at 12:41 pm