Joel Salatin vs. Sepp Holzer
www.permies.com This is me at the Missoula public library answering questions after we watched a Sepp Holzer movie. I’m trying to describe the general philosophies of Joel Salatin vs. the general philosophies of Sepp Holzer. Relevant threads at permies www.permies.com www.permies.com music by Jimmy Pardo
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The guy talked and talked but didn’t say anything.
alejonsu
January 5, 2012 at 9:52 am
So why IS Sepp Holzer better than Joel Salatin and can you really compare the two?
tmgibs34
January 5, 2012 at 10:41 am
you want more liberties to grow food… vote Ron Paul… buy all of Geoff Lawton’s series on permaculture, buy Sepp Holtzer’s great books…get Designers manual..
go to a permaculture and learn for your self… get into Mycology and understand the utilitarian principles to wholisticize economics and develop your own and your families own so that there is no need to pay bills or give to large MNC’s to support your welfare…
there once were people like Jefferson all over the place, we need more
sustainable2012
January 5, 2012 at 10:47 am
F.A. Hayek vs. David Holmgren….
Austrian Econ. vs. Permaculture..
it all the same as it comes with the introduction of a new paradigm..
sustainable2012
January 5, 2012 at 11:33 am
F.A. Hayek vs. David Holmgren….
Austrian Econ. vs. Permaculture
Republican vs. Democrat
it all comes with the introduction of a new paradigm..
sustainable2012
January 5, 2012 at 11:43 am
It depends on what we call “civilization.” If by “civilization” you mean ALL people in industrialized nations, then no, we cannot save them all. Personally, I do not think all of us are civilized. Some of the most civilized people I have known are small farmers. Yes, the most civilized portions of humanity can be saved, because they will be able to save themselves. I do not mean that other humans do not deserve to be saved, but simply that humanity itself will survive, and it will be civil.
daffodyllady
January 5, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@ninyae trying to save the civilization the way it is ,would be a wasted effort ,they dont want and dont see the need to be saved.The only obligation we have is to ourselves our loved ones and show a better way to do things to others ,mostly we will be ridiculed and belittled .You can lead a horse to the water but you cant make him drink.
tiroler537
January 5, 2012 at 12:24 pm
@tiroler537 Just in relation to your comment, there is a good video on the tube called why permaculture will not save civilisation that is a lot more positive than it sounds and I tend to agree and I also think, should we be concerning ourselves with saving civilisation?
ninyae
January 5, 2012 at 12:36 pm
I know you don’t agree with Salatin’s chicken method, but is that just because it isn’t for you? I know I don’t want to move chickens everyday, but if that is your full time job that is a different story. I listened to your podcast on chickens and I agree with statement that it is too much work. But that is just for me, a person that has a full time job and wants a part-time chicken job with as little work as is practical.
My10Acres
January 5, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Joel salatin was our keynote speaker at Long island Small Farm Summit on april 15th..he’s a good speaker,like his personality.funny as all hell…
wasnt much interested in his lectures as it’s still a livestock / slaughter farm operation and i’m going the veganic farming route…
have to agree, sepp he ain’t ,not even permaculture persay.
tribalwind
January 5, 2012 at 1:24 pm
I liked your comments but couldn’t hear the original question very well… maybe typing it into the description or something would help, if it’s worth knowing?
Love your style, anyway.
EKWisner
January 5, 2012 at 2:02 pm
@HotSauceJohnny the tube does not allow me to put links here, but I do have links in the description
paulwheaton12
January 5, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Paul, could you direct us to your article about Joel Salatin? I’d love to read it. I know only a little bit about permaculture, and very little about Sepp Holzer (sorry). But from what I do know, I’m not sure that I would refer to Salatin as a permaculturist. I see him as more of a farmer/businessman that has a good philosophy on ethical, local food supply production.
HotSauceJohnny
January 5, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Joel recognizes that farrowing pigs is a skill that takes more attention than he can spare the time for on his farm. For that reason it makes sense for him to buy in pigs from his neighbors. I delivered him a couple of dozen Tamworth piglets last spring. He buys from neighbors who raise their piglets like he’d raise them if he had the time. Joel likes to raise his hogs in the woods now. that means that they get a lot of mast, worms/grubs and microbes. Supplemental feed is from local sources.
aballiett
January 5, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Both – Sepp & Joel – are great examples of locally suitable farming systems, but cannot be compared: Joel is a grass/pasture manager (or solar manager himself) who runs a well orchestrated life stock operation on rolling land. Sepp farm is on a slope, 1200-1500m above sea level and a short season, with focus on perennial veg. & fruit and some life-stock (pigs, fish), using earthworks.
But have to give Sepp credit for his low input – Salatin gets most of his young life-stock from other farms.
permarasta
January 5, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Joel type of farming could feed the big cities in a wholesome ways , much better than what it is now . Permacolture on the other hand wouldnt be able to do that. And Sepp is right in the middle.Just my 2 cents
tiroler537
January 5, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Thanks!!!
pac3lli
January 5, 2012 at 5:30 pm
I would love to learn more about Joel on pigs
SuzyB1988
January 5, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Well just look at the difference between the two. Just on apperence alone. Joel is way more fit than this guy. What does Sepp eat?
Mike
January 22, 2012 at 6:10 pm