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25 Responses to Holzer, Sepp – Aquaculture – Synergy of Land and Water
What Sepp is doing is revitalizing the land after it’s been intensively farmed with pine trees. The monoculuture that he’s fixing does require some human input, but as you can see, he doesn’t use a lot of technology. It’s not just forests, either; he’s working on mountainsides that are naturally losing water because of the angle. This is a way of retaining that water so the land is more productive. How else would you keep so much plant life irrigated without wells or city water?
freedomlovelydovey
July 24, 2012 at 10:44 pm Reply
No, Sepp irrigates his land with water from wells that are drilled uphill in the forests.
ok… so let me get this clear… all the forests of the world are irrigated? Elves are running around laying piping, setting up aqueducts and digging ditches? Every plant has a hydroponic attachment so that it always gets water? Air humidity, soil retention, mycilium and deer shit dosn’t exist? Of course this set up would not work everywhere because of biodiversity and geology but the idea of a sustainable garden of eden is not new… lol fuckin god thought it up before he could even walk.
Once again, everything looks like a lie to you because you don’t understand hydrology, and because you are so desperate to avoid being wrong that you are willing to attack Sepp along with me. I’m sure his techniques could be used to help others with out ponds, hugelkultur swales are absolutely great ways to hold onto more rain, but that doesn’t mean that he isn’t irrigating. Others might be able to grow what they want with out irrigation, he can’t. Climate affects what you need to do.
You’re lying again, he doesn’t supply supplemental water to his crops. He uses the exact same technique (NO IRRIGATION) on other land without ponds and he gets the exact same results.
Sepp brings in enough water to drain out of both the pipes and the clay of the pond. Irrigation ditches have never been through sand, they always hold water because sediment accumulates. please stop swearing and go visit an old farm and see how irrigation ditches work, you will be surprised.
Some of the crops would still grow, austria isn’t a desert, but they certainly help him increase the amount of water that is available to them and increase their density and performance.Watch any sepp video and it will talk about how the ponds are at the center of his operation.So right now you are vigorously attacking both me and Sepp.
What he has done on other land doesn’t take away the irrigation he has done on his land. The other two Sepp project that I am very familiar with (Tamira) uses a dam to catch seasonal water and raise the water table and humudity. I remember explaining this at permies and being bitterly attacked for it (paul even went through and deleted some of them) and then one of the forum members went there and saw for herself the giant dam that Sepp built. Sepp says the water is the heart of his farm.
That happens even to irrigated crops. It’s called water stress, it happens if you don’t have enough water. He provides supplemental water through irrigation, but not enough to hold off water stress over long periods.
This dimwit doesn’t realize that if Holzer didn’t have any ponds, the crops would still grow. He has done the same thing on other land without any ponds (or irrigation). Irrigate means to supply dry land with water through pipes or ditches and that’s not what Holzer does.
Buy a fucking dictionary and learn what the word “irrigate” means. The water from the wells isn’t for crops, dipshit, he’s done the same thing with crops on other land WITHOUT PONDS. If he took away the ponds, the crops would still grow, how fucking hard is that to understand ?
People get hung up on the idea of it being a artificial system when it can be done without taking away from anything just by using capable plants and building up the lands water retention threw all natural systems.
Oh my god! How do you fail to understand this? Where did you think the water in Owens river came from? Do you think that maybe it fell as precipitation and then came out through springs and wells (man made springs)? Sepp gets water from rain, and water from wells. He is using other peoples land as a catchment in order to irrigate his own beyond what it would naturally have for the area. Just like Mulholland used the owens valley catchment to irrigate LA beyond what the area naturally receives!
It is impossible to make an impermeable membrane out of clay, what you do is make a pond surface that slowly leaks water out. Since he is constantly supplying water to the systems from the wells he is constantly refiling them faster than they empty. Additionally he uses the ponds to increase humidity, which is then deposited on the crops. sure it’s not a sprinkler, but it’s using solar energy to do exactly the same thing.
You really ought to do just a little research, get a library card.
Once again your profound lack of understanding of even the basics of hydrology is combined with your ill tempered nature to leave us all with a big mess of your nasty attitude. The facts of the matter just sound like horseshit to you because you don’t know enough to make sense of them.
“the ponds don’t have anything to do with the crops” shows that you aren’t paying attention to sepp any better than you pay attention to me. The ponds are unlined, the crops grow next to and down hill from them.
Horse shit, the water in Owens valley came from the Owens river. Holzer’s crops get their water from the rain, not a river, not a stream, not a pond, not irrigation ditches, the rain and nothing else.
That’s just more horse shit, the ponds don’t have anything to do with the crops, fuckhead, the water goes from pond to pond and not anywhere near the crops. And they’re pretty much water tight because the bottoms have been compacted with a front end loader when they were dry. The pond water isn’t for crops, it doesn’t come into contact with crops and this fantasy about the ponds somehow supplying the crops with water is utter horse shit.
I’m not sure about 90%, but yes absolutely I agree that most people think the wrong thing when the word irrigation is mentioned. That is the entire reason I’m so insistent. People being ignorant and not understanding is no reason pretend that something that is isn’t. Irrigation is important technology, and it has some hydrological costs too, ignoring this doesn’t make it go away, it leaves us ill prepared to deal with it.
Well would you not agree when you say Irrigation it conjures the wrong images in over 90% of people, it seems kinda seems to demean it a bit. Not to say that irrigation is the wrong word just a bit broad and few understand that and immediately assume the wrong but think that’s right.
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Fornax1984
July 24, 2012 at 10:27 pm
What Sepp is doing is revitalizing the land after it’s been intensively farmed with pine trees. The monoculuture that he’s fixing does require some human input, but as you can see, he doesn’t use a lot of technology. It’s not just forests, either; he’s working on mountainsides that are naturally losing water because of the angle. This is a way of retaining that water so the land is more productive. How else would you keep so much plant life irrigated without wells or city water?
freedomlovelydovey
July 24, 2012 at 10:44 pm
No, Sepp irrigates his land with water from wells that are drilled uphill in the forests.
opcn18
July 24, 2012 at 11:27 pm
ok… so let me get this clear… all the forests of the world are irrigated? Elves are running around laying piping, setting up aqueducts and digging ditches? Every plant has a hydroponic attachment so that it always gets water? Air humidity, soil retention, mycilium and deer shit dosn’t exist? Of course this set up would not work everywhere because of biodiversity and geology but the idea of a sustainable garden of eden is not new… lol fuckin god thought it up before he could even walk.
1CreEpZz
July 25, 2012 at 12:00 am
Once again, everything looks like a lie to you because you don’t understand hydrology, and because you are so desperate to avoid being wrong that you are willing to attack Sepp along with me. I’m sure his techniques could be used to help others with out ponds, hugelkultur swales are absolutely great ways to hold onto more rain, but that doesn’t mean that he isn’t irrigating. Others might be able to grow what they want with out irrigation, he can’t. Climate affects what you need to do.
opcn18
July 25, 2012 at 12:06 am
So why does the exact same technique without ponds produce the exacts same result on other land ?
Frankenpalin
July 25, 2012 at 1:03 am
You’re lying again, he doesn’t supply supplemental water to his crops. He uses the exact same technique (NO IRRIGATION) on other land without ponds and he gets the exact same results.
Frankenpalin
July 25, 2012 at 1:43 am
Sepp brings in enough water to drain out of both the pipes and the clay of the pond. Irrigation ditches have never been through sand, they always hold water because sediment accumulates. please stop swearing and go visit an old farm and see how irrigation ditches work, you will be surprised.
opcn18
July 25, 2012 at 2:15 am
Some of the crops would still grow, austria isn’t a desert, but they certainly help him increase the amount of water that is available to them and increase their density and performance.Watch any sepp video and it will talk about how the ponds are at the center of his operation.So right now you are vigorously attacking both me and Sepp.
opcn18
July 25, 2012 at 2:44 am
What he has done on other land doesn’t take away the irrigation he has done on his land. The other two Sepp project that I am very familiar with (Tamira) uses a dam to catch seasonal water and raise the water table and humudity. I remember explaining this at permies and being bitterly attacked for it (paul even went through and deleted some of them) and then one of the forum members went there and saw for herself the giant dam that Sepp built. Sepp says the water is the heart of his farm.
opcn18
July 25, 2012 at 2:52 am
That happens even to irrigated crops. It’s called water stress, it happens if you don’t have enough water. He provides supplemental water through irrigation, but not enough to hold off water stress over long periods.
opcn18
July 25, 2012 at 3:22 am
This dimwit doesn’t realize that if Holzer didn’t have any ponds, the crops would still grow. He has done the same thing on other land without any ponds (or irrigation). Irrigate means to supply dry land with water through pipes or ditches and that’s not what Holzer does.
Frankenpalin
July 25, 2012 at 4:05 am
Buy a fucking dictionary and learn what the word “irrigate” means. The water from the wells isn’t for crops, dipshit, he’s done the same thing with crops on other land WITHOUT PONDS. If he took away the ponds, the crops would still grow, how fucking hard is that to understand ?
Frankenpalin
July 25, 2012 at 4:22 am
Yeah right, that’s why the crops dry out and the leaves curl up when it doesn’t rain for a while. You don’t even know what the word “irrigate” means.
Frankenpalin
July 25, 2012 at 5:04 am
Bullshit. The water drains out of the ponds through a monk, you stupid cunt. Creating micro climates isn’t irrigating
Frankenpalin
July 25, 2012 at 6:02 am
But in general I agree.
opcn18
July 25, 2012 at 6:36 am
TNSTAAFL, It can be done with very little impact, far less than conventional, but everything that we do has a cost to someone and something.
opcn18
July 25, 2012 at 7:00 am
People get hung up on the idea of it being a artificial system when it can be done without taking away from anything just by using capable plants and building up the lands water retention threw all natural systems.
ZeceFackler
July 25, 2012 at 7:41 am
Oh my god! How do you fail to understand this? Where did you think the water in Owens river came from? Do you think that maybe it fell as precipitation and then came out through springs and wells (man made springs)? Sepp gets water from rain, and water from wells. He is using other peoples land as a catchment in order to irrigate his own beyond what it would naturally have for the area. Just like Mulholland used the owens valley catchment to irrigate LA beyond what the area naturally receives!
opcn18
July 25, 2012 at 7:52 am
It is impossible to make an impermeable membrane out of clay, what you do is make a pond surface that slowly leaks water out. Since he is constantly supplying water to the systems from the wells he is constantly refiling them faster than they empty. Additionally he uses the ponds to increase humidity, which is then deposited on the crops. sure it’s not a sprinkler, but it’s using solar energy to do exactly the same thing.
You really ought to do just a little research, get a library card.
opcn18
July 25, 2012 at 8:30 am
Once again your profound lack of understanding of even the basics of hydrology is combined with your ill tempered nature to leave us all with a big mess of your nasty attitude. The facts of the matter just sound like horseshit to you because you don’t know enough to make sense of them.
“the ponds don’t have anything to do with the crops” shows that you aren’t paying attention to sepp any better than you pay attention to me. The ponds are unlined, the crops grow next to and down hill from them.
opcn18
July 25, 2012 at 9:13 am
Horse shit, the water in Owens valley came from the Owens river. Holzer’s crops get their water from the rain, not a river, not a stream, not a pond, not irrigation ditches, the rain and nothing else.
Frankenpalin
July 25, 2012 at 9:32 am
That’s just more horse shit, the ponds don’t have anything to do with the crops, fuckhead, the water goes from pond to pond and not anywhere near the crops. And they’re pretty much water tight because the bottoms have been compacted with a front end loader when they were dry. The pond water isn’t for crops, it doesn’t come into contact with crops and this fantasy about the ponds somehow supplying the crops with water is utter horse shit.
Frankenpalin
July 25, 2012 at 9:59 am
I’m not sure about 90%, but yes absolutely I agree that most people think the wrong thing when the word irrigation is mentioned. That is the entire reason I’m so insistent. People being ignorant and not understanding is no reason pretend that something that is isn’t. Irrigation is important technology, and it has some hydrological costs too, ignoring this doesn’t make it go away, it leaves us ill prepared to deal with it.
opcn18
July 25, 2012 at 10:46 am
Well would you not agree when you say Irrigation it conjures the wrong images in over 90% of people, it seems kinda seems to demean it a bit. Not to say that irrigation is the wrong word just a bit broad and few understand that and immediately assume the wrong but think that’s right.
ZeceFackler
July 25, 2012 at 11:29 am