Can I feed my dogs raw meat destined for human consumption?
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The Nusretiye Mosque was erected between 1823 and 1826 by Mahmud II (1784-1839) as part of a larger project to rebuild the Tophane artillery barracks that burnt in the Firuzaga fire. It is located off the Western shore of the Bosphorus, below Tophane or the Canon Foundry established by Mehmed II (1432-1481) and was built on the former site of the Mosque of the Artillery Barracks (Tophane-i Amire Arabacilar Kislasi Camii) built by Selim III (1789-1807). In style, the mosque signifies a transition from Ottoman baroque to empire style. Its architect is Krikor Balyan (1764-1831), who is the first in nine architects belonging to the Armenian Balyan family who served the royal family throughout the nineteenth century. The mosque was named Nusretiye or Victory, in celebration of the sultan’s recent abolition of the rebellious janissary troops in favor of a new western-style army — an event known in Ottoman history as Vaka-i Hayriye or the auspicious event.
When it was built, the Nusretiye mosque stood to the northeast of a rectangular parade ground facing the Bosphorus with the Meclis-i Mebusan or Parliament Street at its back. The artillery barracks, built by Mahmud II at the same time as the mosque, bound the southwest side of the parade ground. His successor, Abdülmecid I (1839-1861), added a clock tower (Tophane saat kulesi) at the center of the grounds and built the royal Tophane kiosk (Tophane Kasri) at the street end of the longitudinal axis. In 1866, the neo-classical strip housing the offices of the marshals was built on the other side of Meclis-i Mebusan Street from the Tophane kiosk and the fenced parade ground, completing the monumental appearance of the military complex seen in older photographs. Only the mosque, the clock tower and the Tophane kiosk have survived the mid 1950s urban renewal and highway construction programs. The parade ground was developed into a trade entrepôt with concrete warehouses extending into newly infilled grounds behind the mosque. The mosque stands today on Necati Bey Street, having lost its historical context and connection with the water. It was restored between 1955 and 1958, and again in 1980 and 1992.
The mosque stands raised on a tall basement, oriented along the northwest-southeast axis. It consists of a square prayer hall with narthex and mihrab apse, and a large sultan’s kiosk, which wraps the west and north corners at the front, on either side of the tall portico. Side arcades made of five domed bays flank the prayer hall on the exterior. Although the mosque lacks a monumental courtyard, a prominent feature in classical Ottoman mosques, it has a small side courtyard that adjoins the prayer hall to the northeast. The side arcade on this side is a few steps below the courtyard whereas to the southwest the arcade has two-stories and has a door at the lower colonnade that leads down to the basement level.
The mosque portal is located at the center of the three-bay portico, a monumental baroque entrance with two staircases leading up to its terrace. The staircases are framed on either side by the projecting bays of the sultan’s kiosk, which is raised to the height of the portico domes carried on arches and columns, forming open terraces below. The residential-looking sultan’s kiosk dominates the front façade of the mosque and zigzags around the corners where the minarets are attached to form wings projecting outwards into the parade ground and the side courtyard. It is entered primarily from a baroque portal adjoining the side arcade on the southwest façade; there are secondary entrances on either side of the portico.
Inside, the prayer hall is crowned with a single dome, raised on four grand arches that spring from the four corners. The narthex to the northwest has women’s prayer section flanking the entrance and the muezzin’s platform at the gallery level. The grand arch above the narthex is carried on two piers and three arches, the larger central arch mirrors the arch of the mihrab semi-dome across the hall. Along the southwest wall, to the right, is the sultan’s lodge — a balcony with gilt screens entered from the sultan’s kiosk. Windows pierced into the tympana of the grand arches and twenty windows around the dome illuminate the interior from above. Of the two tiers of windows at the ground level, the lower casements are crowned with baroque vases carved in the marble tympana of the window arches. All of the upper windows have faux frames painted in the baroque style. The mihrab and minbar are carved of white marble and decorated with flowers and gilt garlands. Perhaps the most important decorative element on the interior is a calligraphic band inscribed with the Koranic sura of The Event or Al-Naba, which travels the interior located above the casement windows. It is written in gold celi style letters over a dark background by the famous calligrapher Mustafa Rakim (1757-1826).
The mosque has two minarets located at the west and east corners. Raised on tall square foundations, the fluted minaret shafts have bulbous bases and double balconies with wavy balustrades. In order to create a view for passing ships to read the string of lights with devotional messages (mahya) hung between the two minarets without being obstructed by the dome, the minarets were taken down and rebuilt taller in 1826. The superstructure, including the dome, is marked with exuberant architectural decorations. Curved pilasters with finials alternate with the dome windows and large bulbous weight turrets with pointed domes that are placed at the springing of the grand arches, which are bordered with lace-like cornices. The mosque is constructed primarily of cut stone.
To the northeast, the entrance to the small side courtyard is flanked by twin structures of the sabil (sebil), on the right, and the room of the timekeeper (muvakkithane), on the left. Positioned originally across the street, they were moved adjacent to the mosque during the rule of Abdülaziz I (1861-1879). They are round with arched grille windows facing the street and are crowned by conical domes with wavy eaves mirrored by wavy marble cornices with inscriptive plaques. A fountain kiosk erected beside the mosque by Abdülhamid II in 1901 has been moved to Maçka neighborhood as part of the urban renewal program.
Question by FERNANDO A: Can I feed my dogs raw meat destined for human consumption?
I have a couple of Akitas and I’m trying to switch them to a raw diet, but I’ve been overwhelmed by all the information out there and the prices are just ridiculous. I am wondering if buying them raw fish, beef, chicken, turkey, etc. at the grocery store destined for human consumption is a good idea.
What do you think? Answer below!
16 Responses to Can I feed my dogs raw meat destined for human consumption?
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i dont see why it would be a problem, but you should be able to ask your vet if it would be alright or not
jenn
June 26, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Of course!
That is what their ancestors ate.
They are carnivors you know.
Shut yo mouf
June 26, 2013 at 8:15 pm
As opposed to feeding them what? Road kill??? I guess I don’t understand the question. I would think if the meat is suitable for humans to “consume” then it should be perfectly fine for dogs. What am I missing here?
♥Lacie♥
June 26, 2013 at 8:50 pm
All K9’s are meat eaters. Cooked meat is a modern-man ideal. Raw food is a dogs delight.
Joseph P
June 26, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Yes. You should look into feeding the BARF diet.
There are tutuorials out there on how to do a barf diet on a budget. Check out a search on Google or look at the Cavalier Connection Message Board. They have great Barf on a Budget plans in amongst all thier CKCS talk.
♥Thanks For All The Fish♥
June 26, 2013 at 10:22 pm
Human-quality food is the only food I feed my dog and cats. If I wouldn’t eat it, they won’t eat it. Period. I don’t always buy them raw meat from the store — I’m lucky enough to have organic red-meat-based human-quality kibble available — but if you take the bones out of chicken and other fowl it’s perfectly safe and good for them. Supplements of safe vegetables and fruits are also a good idea.
EDIT: Raw poultry bones are not perfectly safe. I broke one myself and didn’t like how sharp the edges were and how it splintered. They may be safer than cooked poultry bones, but they’re still not PERFECTLY safe. I prefer to be safe rather than sorry. That’s just me.
Knife-Smile
June 26, 2013 at 10:25 pm
yes of course!!!
When you feed a raw diet the aim is to feed stuff that IS healthy. Stuff basically not marked for human consumption includes (but not limited to)
*diseased cattle
*cattle that died before it got to the slaughter house
*road kill
This stuff is often found in cheap kibbles.
Food for “human consumption” is basically food that wasn’t diseased, dying, dead, or anything like that. It was a healthy animal before slaughtered.
Baa_Baa_Blacksheep
June 26, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Of course they can. Human meat has higher sanitary codes, so it’s just cleaner and better pieces of meat. I don’t think the rawness of it could hurt them either. Dogs have strong stomachs. If they don’t react well to it though, cook it for a while. We feed our dog boiled chicken over dry food. Or over rice when he’s not feeling well.
Cake Batter
June 26, 2013 at 11:03 pm
Yes you can buy your meat at the grocery store. Many raw feeder do this there is nothing wrong with it considering the meat that is safe for humans to eat. Just make sure you are getting meats mostly chicken than doesn’t have enhancements – says on the label
here are some yahoo groups for you TONS of help
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawChat/
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/
As far as prices start talking to your store managers and meat department heads they will usually cut deals if you are buying in bulk. You don’t have to mention you are raw feeding just ask if you can talk someone about placing orders for bulk meats
Options
Grocery stores -regular and discount
-Butchers
-farmers
-hunters
-meat packing plants
-online – prey4pets.com
Knife – smile : RAW poultry bones are perfectly safe.
Rayven-Fried Sea Kittens Anyone?
June 26, 2013 at 11:55 pm
That’s what they eat. There aren’t many butchers who sell food for dogs only. If there were, you’d pay a premium. The whole point of feeding raw is to feed human grade food.
You could buy foods on sale. Feed your dogs only foods that are on sale. That keeps their menu interesting.
sobriquet
June 27, 2013 at 12:39 am
I buy most of my pets’ food at the supermarket or butcher but I try not to pay full price for it. Watch for good sales and look for the marked down meat at the end of its fridge life. It goes in the freezer so it doesn’t matter anyway. Even if the meat is a day or two over its use by date your dog can eat it with no worries. They eat poop and bury bones to ‘ripen’ so why would this meat cause problems?
I mostly feed a combination of kangaroo mince and larger meals or raw meaty bones such as chicken quarters, roo chunks etc. I feed heart about twice a week and liver and kidney once or twice a fortnight. I find this costs much less than buying ‘premium’ commercial foods. I have been feeding my dogs and cats this way for several years and would never go back to commercial foods.
* a chicken bone that is covered in meat (as recommended by raw feeders) is less likely to cause problems than kibble being inhaled or tennis balls and socks being swallowed.
** as for the roadkill – I do know people that will collect it if is is fresh – meat is meat!!
Joh
June 27, 2013 at 1:25 am
Of course you can feed them meat! I would check out these sites for further research:
http://www.rawfed.com/myths
http://www.rawfeddogs.net
http://leerburg.com/feedingarawdiet.htm
If you don’t buy the pre made stuff, it shouldn’t be too expensive; I feed mine for less than $ 1/lb and a lot of the raw groups can give you great tips on how to get meat for free or almost free. You can also get meat from grocery store suppliers and basically anywhere…even road kill. I will suggest you do more research before beginning a raw diet. It doesn’t have to be very complicated, but it does have to be done right. I definitely suggest joining a raw feeding group on yahoo, dogster, or somewhere as they are great places to get access to people with TONS of experience. Good luck!
akitagrl07
June 27, 2013 at 1:42 am
Of course you can. I feed prey model and the grocery store is where I get most of my meat. Other sources for meat are my local butcher and I post ads saying I’ll take people’s freezer burned meat as well.
The thing you want to watch out for with grocery store meat is added solutions and broth. These are in meats that say things like no basting needed, self basting etc. They’ll also say something like up to a percentage of solution has been added.
Meats that say they may contain a certain percentage of retained water are fine.
The reason you want to avoid the meats with added solutions is they are high in sodium and some dogs can’t tolerate that.
ξ Bindi § dogs love Sea Kittens
June 27, 2013 at 2:02 am
Of course, it’s very fine. I usually buy my dog’s meat from a grocery store with no problem. (I’m a raw feeder too.)
♥Mutt♥ Misses ~Boxer Bootie~
June 27, 2013 at 2:48 am
The grocery store meat is absolutely fine but may not offer enough variety and may not be cheaper. Remember you need to feed a primarily red meat diet plus a balance of organs with liver being a must with the dog’s raw food diet.
Look on yahoo groups for what are called raw feeding co-ops. They are groups of people who live in your area and buy raw in bulk to make the cost cheaper.
Also you might want to join this group to find better deals and ask for local co-ops:
http://pets.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/CarnivoreFeed-Supplier
And you can join freecyle, and look on craigslist for free or cheap meat such as freezerburnt meat that people want to get rid of but are great for dogs. Or if you ask local hunters for scraps or make a deal with a local butcher for the meat that humans usually don’t buy, you can find inexpensive deals.
Feeding a raw food diet to dogs does involve alot of reading and understanding that is completely overwhelming to anyone at first. but it’s very important to keep learning since a deficient diet can be disastrous to your akitas.
♥shelter puppies rule♥
June 27, 2013 at 3:11 am
Yes that’s completely fine, I feed my dogs raw from the grocery store. Chicken quarters are very cheap, I can buy a 10 pound bag of chicken quarters (legs and thighs attached together) for $ 5, so that’s only $ 0.50 a pound. You can usually find a “manager’s” special too, which is meat gone by it’s useable date, that dogs are safely able to eat. Organs and less desireable meats are also cheap. At my Wal Mart in town during the summer they have pig heads, cheap and great for dogs. Heads, feet, organs, bones, all great for dogs. You can go to oriental and latin grocery stores, they frequently have great things for cheap. Things like chicken feet and other parts for CHEAP. A lot of online suppliers are expensive, but they raise their own animals and feed them an all natural, no additive diets which are costly. When you can feed whole carcasses, whole rabbits are easy to find on the internet and the fur is good for dogs. If you know any farmers, or have farmers in your area, you can talk to them. They frequently have animals that die, I know people who take WHOLE animals like cows, elk, sheep, etc. from farmers and hunters and leave the carcass in their yard for a couple days while their dogs eat all of it.
You can feed a dog almost anything raw, beef/chicken/lamb/ mutton/goat/elk/deer/goose/duck/buffalo/ostrich/kangaroo, basically any animal, and any part of any animal, tail/neck/all the organs/feet/heads/ribs/ also anything. Just avoid leg bones, they’re too dense for dog’s teeth. Feed 2-3% of their weight daily, so a 100 pound dog needs 2-3 pounds of food a day.
Sighthounds RULE!!!!
June 27, 2013 at 3:47 am